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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2012 4:03 am    Post subject: Born to ... ? Reply with quote

What a weird way to start a thread, but: I saw the Katy Perry movie last weekend. And one things that stuck out to me was how Katy said ever since she started to sing as a child, her only goal in life was to perform, and to do whatever it took to make that possible.

And even now, during interviews, she says that she's not bothered by fans that want to meet her, because if it wasn't for her fans, she wouldn't have a job. And that celebrities who complain about their fans don't deserve to be celebrities. (I went into this movie feeling ambivalent about her, but left a Katy Perry fan.)

I'm envious of people who have always known their vocation/purpose their entire lives. Many of my friends are very successful artists/musicians who have expressed similar sentiments. When I was a child, I didn't have many huge dreams. Baby Milo just wanted to have a cute house and spend time in the woods...

What about you? Have you had a calling your whole life? Are you following it?
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2012 7:03 am    Post subject: Re: Born to ... ? Reply with quote

Milo wrote:
I'm envious of people who have always known their vocation/purpose their entire lives.


ditto.
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2012 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I consider myself someone who always knew more or less what she wanted to do. Not the specifics mind you, or the path I would take, but I always had a pretty good idea. And looking back, I can see more and more small things that now make sense. Which is really neat!

I always knew I wanted to work with buildings. And now I'm an engineer and work as a project manager for renovation and rehabilitation projects. But even more basic than that, I always knew I was very much a visual person, and liked using my hands. I LOVED arts and crafts as a kid, but not in a fine arts kind of way but more of a process kind of way. In kindergaden my favorite activity was the block area. At one point I wanted to be a museum curator (I was young, maybe 8 at the time, and I really liked museums). To this day, when I walk through a museum or gallery I often spend an equal amount of time looking at the space itself, versus the actual art or artifacts on display. But along the way, I didn't know exactly what I'd do, just that this was the direction I wanted to take. I remember being in cegep (post high school/pre university here) and looking at the local university options, and having to decide between architecture or engineering and having a tough time because neither seemed right, until something clicked and I picked building engineering and then everything fell into place (well, sort of, at least it looks that way from a bird's eye view).

I was discussing this with a few coworkers the other day, quite coincidentally, and it was interesting to see how many of us had a pretty good idea we'd end up in our line of work.
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2012 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach sociology and I was born to do it.
If not sociology, I was certainly born to teach.
But I am pretty passionate about sociology too...
I feel very very lucky that I know my passion and that I get to do it everyday.
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2012 10:32 am    Post subject: Re: Born to ... ? Reply with quote

Chiquita wrote:
Milo wrote:
I'm envious of people who have always known their vocation/purpose their entire lives.


ditto.


Tritto.

I have a friend who always wanted to go to outer space. He's now an astrophysicist and builds space crafts for the ISS.

Finding my passion/calling is something I've been struggling with for the past few years (or my whole life). As a kid, being asked what I wanted to do when I grow always made me uncomfortable because I didn't know but it seemed like everyone else knew what they wanted.

I'm actually focusing harder these days to figure all this out.
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2012 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Chiquita wrote:
Milo wrote:
I'm envious of people who have always known their vocation/purpose their entire lives.


ditto.


Tritto.


Quaditto. I was recently talking to someone about jobs that are good but not fulfilling on a deeper level, and they asked what would I want to do if I could do anything at all for a living, and I had no idea. Then they asked what did I want to be when I was a kid, and I realized I didn't know then either.
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2012 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another one who wasn't "born to be" anything.

I've always had diverse interests, and not-particularly-strong ambition. I was recently between jobs, and I was pretty happy kicking around the house reading and knitting most of the day, for weeks at a time. I do need to always be learning something, but I'm pretty flexible about what that is.

I'm getting more comfortable with it just being who I am. I made myself pretty unhappy reading self-help books about following your passion and not getting anywhere. Now I just focus on what things I'd like to do, and look at how they'll affect me 5-10 years down the road (mostly in terms of $$$ and stress level, also where I'll live and status).
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2012 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ditto to everything snoopy posted.

i've never really felt a passion to follow any sort of career path or calling. it's something i've struggled with A LOT throughout school and work and now it's a daily concern and source of immense amounts of stress and anxiety. it also doesn't help that i find it very difficult to motivate myself to do things if i'm not at least 75% "into" it, or things i can't bring myself to believe in/support. then i beat myself up and think i should just "grow up & eat shit" bc life isnt fair and loads of people are being underemployed so just deaaaal and be glad you have employment. but this way of thinking is just too simplistic for me and for satans sake, whyyyy does it have to be like that!

all the anxiety around that is coupled with thoughts regarding how i'm living in this incredibly repressed society which is hyperfixated on work, labour, prestige, and money. (self)worth is seemingly tied up into career choices and it just seems so fucked up to me. i struggle with all these idealistic thoughts about taking a paycut and just doing something part time that is enough to "survive" on but will create meaning and happiness in my life. except i have no idea what that would be, so i just gotta toil in a demeaning work environment because if i cant be happy, i might as well get paid. and when i assure myself of this (in order to get through the work week), it just makes me die a tiny bit inside.

i'm sure this is partially because of my age (mid/late 20s) or maybe because i work with a lot of women, but it seems like all the women i've been meeting are either really about their career, or really about starting a family. for someone who is leaning more on the childfree side of the fence i'm struggling to have concrete/tangible/goal oriented conceptualizations about my life and future. it sucks to feel like i'm floating around with no purpose and i'm wasting my life and my time and my energy to only be unsatisfied.

hope this isnt a hijack! i'm in complete AWE of folks who are doing what they want or at least have passions outside of career that keeps them going in their day jobs.
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2012 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kitchen wrote:
ditto to everything snoopy posted.

i've never really felt a passion to follow any sort of career path or calling. it's something i've struggled with A LOT throughout school and work and now it's a daily concern and source of immense amounts of stress and anxiety. it also doesn't help that i find it very difficult to motivate myself to do things if i'm not at least 75% "into" it, or things i can't bring myself to believe in/support. then i beat myself up and think i should just "grow up & eat shit" bc life isnt fair and loads of people are being underemployed so just deaaaal and be glad you have employment. but this way of thinking is just too simplistic for me and for satans sake, whyyyy does it have to be like that!

all the anxiety around that is coupled with thoughts regarding how i'm living in this incredibly repressed society which is hyperfixated on work, labour, prestige, and money. (self)worth is seemingly tied up into career choices and it just seems so fucked up to me. i struggle with all these idealistic thoughts about taking a paycut and just doing something part time that is enough to "survive" on but will create meaning and happiness in my life. except i have no idea what that would be, so i just gotta toil in a demeaning work environment because if i cant be happy, i might as well get paid. and when i assure myself of this (in order to get through the work week), it just makes me die a tiny bit inside.

i'm sure this is partially because of my age (mid/late 20s) or maybe because i work with a lot of women, but it seems like all the women i've been meeting are either really about their career, or really about starting a family. for someone who is leaning more on the childfree side of the fence i'm struggling to have concrete/tangible/goal oriented conceptualizations about my life and future. it sucks to feel like i'm floating around with no purpose and i'm wasting my life and my time and my energy to only be unsatisfied.

hope this isnt a hijack! i'm in complete AWE of folks who are doing what they want or at least have passions outside of career that keeps them going in their day jobs.


THIS. Especially the bolded part. I've started getting into art in the last year, but I feel like I never have enough ideas, that I'm still just learning, and in the meantime I'm working 1.5 jobs to make ends meet and have savings, so I still never feel like I have the time to really learn anything. And I beat myself up for not realizing that I could do this when I was a kid, so I could've done the whole learning thing years ago when everyone else did, and then start making an actual living at it? (assuming I could, anyway)

It's also hard considering that MrArtichoke is one of those who's always been passionate about one thing and now that thing is his full-time job and he is basically probably at the apex of what someone with that passion would be doing. And he's already almost a decade older than me, so he's had that many more years to practice and work on it.

I read an article about an up-and-comer from my city and she basically was a hermit for most of her 20s in order to make her career work, but it paid off.

I hope this isn't hijacking either. My all-over-the-place point is 'yes' to envying and also feeling guilty about time wasted on people/things that are no longer important.
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2012 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have seldom identified as much with a glitter thread as I do with this one. Especially these bits from kitchen:

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(self)worth is seemingly tied up into career choices and it just seems so fucked up to me.


and tinyrock

Quote:
I was recently between jobs, and I was pretty happy kicking around the house reading and knitting most of the day, for weeks at a time. I do need to always be learning something, but I'm pretty flexible about what that is.


and sibee

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... they asked what would I want to do if I could do anything at all for a living, and I had no idea.


My brain is all full of this stuff at the moment; I started temping at the same time as 5 other women at my workplace. We all have degrees and we're all working in a job that doesn't require post-18 education, and are kinda wondering if this is it for us. The topic of career ambition (or lack of) comes up quite a bit. I am no closer to figuring anything out, though!
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2012 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

artichoke wrote:
feeling guilty about time wasted on people/things that are no longer important.


This is probably the product of a very privileged, liberal arts-y background, but THAT TIME IS NOT A WASTE.

I know that I would be a much less interesting, open-minded, kind, centered person if I didn't have a long trail of other interests/"lives" behind me. The path is part of the destination, you know? And you still have so much time ahead of you.

It's also helped me to know people who had a passion they pursued for decades, and that it's kind of a double-edged sword. Those folks have roads not taken, too.
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2012 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently found my school journal from fourth grade. In one entry, I wrote that I wanted to be an artist or a teacher.

I studied Art Education for four years before deciding I'd rather pursue a BFA in printmaking. So, I actually ended up doing pretty much exactly what I wanted to do in fourth grade! The funny thing is, I don't remember writing that journal entry, and I didn't (consciously?) pursue either of those things until I was in my early twenties.

I'm not entirely sure what it will translate into, career-wise, but I think it's accurate to say that I was born to make art. Even before I decided to become a "serious" artist, making things was always a big part of my life. ETA: I guess what I'm saying with this last statement is that being born to do XYZ might not necessarily mean (to me) that it's gotta be your paying job.
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2012 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's really interesting to me is people who say they had no interest or idea what they wanted to do and then just fell into something and loved it.

I can't think of anyone in particular right now, but I remember lots of stories.

In some cases I know that people have had one big event change their lives and give them focus and then in hindsight everything seems to connect.

For instance, I know a lot of people who in sickness went on to discover some transformational health practices and then went on to train and work in that field.

I'm not feeling really good or like I'm explaining this very well, but I'll be back to add more later...great topic though.
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2012 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

artichoke wrote:
kitchen wrote:
ditto to everything snoopy posted.

i've never really felt a passion to follow any sort of career path or calling. it's something i've struggled with A LOT throughout school and work and now it's a daily concern and source of immense amounts of stress and anxiety. it also doesn't help that i find it very difficult to motivate myself to do things if i'm not at least 75% "into" it, or things i can't bring myself to believe in/support. then i beat myself up and think i should just "grow up & eat shit" bc life isnt fair and loads of people are being underemployed so just deaaaal and be glad you have employment. but this way of thinking is just too simplistic for me and for satans sake, whyyyy does it have to be like that!

all the anxiety around that is coupled with thoughts regarding how i'm living in this incredibly repressed society which is hyperfixated on work, labour, prestige, and money. (self)worth is seemingly tied up into career choices and it just seems so fucked up to me. i struggle with all these idealistic thoughts about taking a paycut and just doing something part time that is enough to "survive" on but will create meaning and happiness in my life. except i have no idea what that would be, so i just gotta toil in a demeaning work environment because if i cant be happy, i might as well get paid. and when i assure myself of this (in order to get through the work week), it just makes me die a tiny bit inside.

i'm sure this is partially because of my age (mid/late 20s) or maybe because i work with a lot of women, but it seems like all the women i've been meeting are either really about their career, or really about starting a family. for someone who is leaning more on the childfree side of the fence i'm struggling to have concrete/tangible/goal oriented conceptualizations about my life and future. it sucks to feel like i'm floating around with no purpose and i'm wasting my life and my time and my energy to only be unsatisfied.

hope this isnt a hijack! i'm in complete AWE of folks who are doing what they want or at least have passions outside of career that keeps them going in their day jobs.


THIS. Especially the bolded part.


Yes. This. Pretty effing much.

(Hence all of the soul searching should I change my life, should I get a tattoo, should I go to grad school
stuff that's in my head lately.)

I'm too incoherent on a Friday afternoon after a long week to add any more thoughts, other than that this thread makes me think of the scene in Chasing Amy where Alissa yells about how she wasn't given a map at birth... That is a scene I've carried with me through many a dark time in my life, because I don't have a map, either.
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PostPosted: Jul 13, 2012 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

being directionless suuucks.

the number of times i've decided that x thing was my thing since i got out of high school is ridiculous. in the beginning, my career paths weren't really practical, but more recently it's been frustrating to have even the most grounded ideas not work out. maybe i'm not going to be an art historian, but can i just go into accounting or computer science and have that be my forever job already? i know i've always done things at my own speed, and only when i was completely ready to do them, but it gets old. bleh.

my dad and i were just talking about this, actually. he knew at eighteen that he wanted to go into mining, and he's still in mining to this day. but he told me that sometimes he wishes he hadn't been so focused on that path, and we had this weird moment of mutual envy. i think it's not easy for anyone, but at the very least, people with purposes have one less thing to worry about and it's not this constant existential crisis, y'know? or at least there's a good chance of being distracted by consistent paychecks.

speaking of consistency. the only real "calling" i've had over the years is to be a teacher, and more recently i had an epiphany about trying it out and have been looking into starting school again to see if it may be a worthwhile pursuit. i would love it if it worked out! as always, here's hoping.

also, is it sad that i'm excited that the katy perry movie was decent because i kind of love her forever somehow, how did this happen.

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