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PostPosted: Oct 12, 2011 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, i totally get the whole not hand-crafting stuff for work friends/people who won't appreciate it thing. i don't do a lot of cooking for others, but i definitely learned that lesson through crafting! although. in saying that. i did just make a cake this weekend for my dude that cost way too much for my current budget, but a. it was a recipe i wanted to make anyway, b. it was a part of his birthday present, and c. i got like half of the delicious results all to myself anyway. there's no way i'd make something like that for someone i didn't love/was shacked up with. there are too many uncontrollable variables and chances for disappointment and frustration.

but word! word word word on the benefits of having a well-stocked pantry. besides the cake, i have made a large portion of the baking recipes i've tried in the past few months using only or almost only stuff i've had in the cabinet. and my staples are pretty much just flour, baking powder and soda, sugar, vanilla, cinnamon, and salt. and sometimes yeast. you get that stuff once and it's in there forever. i only just ran out of a bag of sugar i bought in like, june. and i did a shit ton of baking in that time period. then it's really just a question of butter and eggs [or their substitutes] and you're golden. golden brown, even! get it? it's a baking joke. hilarious.
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PostPosted: Oct 12, 2011 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is exactly why i've stopped baking anything for other people! i made my friend's 3 tier wedding cake and her mom (the real bridezilla) was like "waaah, remember when you'd make those cupcakes... they were so much better". yeah, boxed mix cupcakes.

i've also stopped knitting anything for anyone other than my husband or my baby. husband has to like it, and baby can't say no :)
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PostPosted: Oct 12, 2011 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i, too, stopped cooking for people. the only thing people ever raved about was my "manga" brownies (fancy boxed mix, powdered sugar stencil ~$8) and potato leek soup (what? $3-5 or something?) and nothing i truly put effort in ever got mentioned.


i can pull of a meal cheaply (winging curries, soups, pastas, quiches from scratch) but i can't make a birthday cake for less than $50 it seems. all of the add-ins, good ingredients are what really makes baking fun for me.
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PostPosted: Oct 13, 2011 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Food costs are a bit of a problem between me and my BF. He is used to eating with his parents or buying food out (which is expensive too!) so he has no clue how much making a 'meal' for 2 people can cost- especially when one of those people eats enough for 2-3 people!

Recently I baked a pie for family. I used frozen berries and pre-made crust and it was still like $10 - which, yeah, I probably could have bought a pie for less than that, but...what can you do? I wanted to make something and the other things I wanted to do cost even more.


I've gotten really good at figuring out what I need to use up and cooking around those ingredients - It does help a lot. As does having a well stocked pantry.
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PostPosted: Oct 13, 2011 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that one of the issues (beyond the fact that some people don't appreciate the effort) is that food prices are rising drastically. Sometimes I will go to the store to pick up a few items and then when it rings up at $30 I'm shocked and have to go over my bill to figure out why my bill was so high for just a few items. And then when I do look at each item, I see just how much everything costs, especially when not on sale. And not frivolous items either, store/no-name staples.

I have noticed that I am shifting my buying/eating habits quite a bit in response. Overall my food budget isn't changing much, but what I'm eating is. I rely more on (on sale) seasonal produce. I mostly buy my legumes dry instead of canned. I won't buy certain items unless they are onsale (pasta, canned legumes, baking supplies, tofu). If I eat out somewhere with large portions, I eat half and take the other half to go for lunch. There are some things I will not make at home anymore (like cheesecake), and instead would rather pay to have them in a restaurant because it costs me less overall. Sure, baking one probably comes out to cheaper per serving, but if I just want to enjoy a piece, its cheaper overall to go out and enjoy a piece just for me (plus, no dishes to clean up!).
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PostPosted: Oct 13, 2011 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

checkersumthing wrote:
I think that one of the issues (beyond the fact that some people don't appreciate the effort) is that food prices are rising drastically. Sometimes I will go to the store to pick up a few items and then when it rings up at $30 I'm shocked and have to go over my bill to figure out why my bill was so high for just a few items. And then when I do look at each item, I see just how much everything costs, especially when not on sale. And not frivolous items either, store/no-name staples.

I have noticed that I am shifting my buying/eating habits quite a bit in response. Overall my food budget isn't changing much, but what I'm eating is. I rely more on (on sale) seasonal produce. I mostly buy my legumes dry instead of canned. I won't buy certain items unless they are onsale (pasta, canned legumes, baking supplies, tofu). If I eat out somewhere with large portions, I eat half and take the other half to go for lunch. There are some things I will not make at home anymore (like cheesecake), and instead would rather pay to have them in a restaurant because it costs me less overall. Sure, baking one probably comes out to cheaper per serving, but if I just want to enjoy a piece, its cheaper overall to go out and enjoy a piece just for me (plus, no dishes to clean up!).


Word. It is definitely getting to be more and more of a struggle to keep to a budget. Even staples like dried beans, rice, flour, etc. are rising in price. I'm definitely not in danger of going hungry but my cooking has gotten more and more low budget over the past year or so.
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PostPosted: Oct 14, 2011 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PurpleDoor wrote:
checkersumthing wrote:
I think that one of the issues (beyond the fact that some people don't appreciate the effort) is that food prices are rising drastically. Sometimes I will go to the store to pick up a few items and then when it rings up at $30 I'm shocked and have to go over my bill to figure out why my bill was so high for just a few items. And then when I do look at each item, I see just how much everything costs, especially when not on sale. And not frivolous items either, store/no-name staples.

I have noticed that I am shifting my buying/eating habits quite a bit in response. Overall my food budget isn't changing much, but what I'm eating is. I rely more on (on sale) seasonal produce. I mostly buy my legumes dry instead of canned. I won't buy certain items unless they are onsale (pasta, canned legumes, baking supplies, tofu). If I eat out somewhere with large portions, I eat half and take the other half to go for lunch. There are some things I will not make at home anymore (like cheesecake), and instead would rather pay to have them in a restaurant because it costs me less overall. Sure, baking one probably comes out to cheaper per serving, but if I just want to enjoy a piece, its cheaper overall to go out and enjoy a piece just for me (plus, no dishes to clean up!).


Word. It is definitely getting to be more and more of a struggle to keep to a budget. Even staples like dried beans, rice, flour, etc. are rising in price. I'm definitely not in danger of going hungry but my cooking has gotten more and more low budget over the past year or so.


Word. Word. Word! This is kinda where my "how often do you go out to eat?" thread came from. I'm at a point now where I can't really do groceries and prepared food anymore. This week I had to actually leave my house and I hit up a lot of drive-thru/wawa. I spent a little less than I usually do on groceries for the week, but it has all been consumed. I always always buy stock up items. I'm even a little overstocked at the moment.

The cost of groceries has doubled+ over the past few years. I have to shop at half a dozen different stores to feel as if I'm paying a fair price. The price difference at each store for the same item is tremendous. Right now I have nothing better to do, but its uh, kinda a pain in the ass. I rarely buy any kind of pre-made anything either. I dont even buy pre-mixed yogurt or salad dressing anymore. The only reason I'm not making all my own bread is because I was eating too much of it.

I eat too much, but I at least keep it to the cheap stuff. I'm totally ok with a $1 box of cookie binge. The bf eats the good stuff like nuts, lunch meats and the fancy cheese. I started buying sunflower seeds at TJ's @ 1.50/lb. He'd treat a $6 bag of cashews as single serving. I used to buy uncured beef pepperoni at $7 a package. That shit would disappear. Like he'd cut off a 3 inch piece and just eat it. No attempt at stretching it! I rarely make a main dish + sides anymore. I just make a versatile main dish. Something that can go in a sandwich, on salad, with pasta in eggs etc. He is totally on board with the homemade everything, so thats cool, but I still don't think he realizes how much thought needs to go into it.

I follow this rough guideline for grocery budget shopping.

Fruit/Vegetables
75% - $1 - $1.50/lb or less
25% - $2/lb
exception -- my beloved $2 package ($3.99/lb) baby spinach
Proteins:
$2/lb or less
Legumes/Pasta/Grains
$1 lb/ less
Bread
$1.25 lb max
Cheese:
$2.50 lb or less
+ 1 expensive cheese every 1-2 weeks under $6/lb
Yogurt/Milk/Eggs
$1.50 lb or less
Coffee/cocoa/Tea
$5.00 lb max
Snacks
$2.00/ lb less
Condiments
$2 per item max

The overall theme is to not spend more than $2 per lb. Of course some things like spices, oils, cocoa, honey are just not in that price range. I like my fancy cheese and baby spinach - thats just not something I'm willing to give up, but I have stopped buying things like sliced sandwich turkey, cereal and clif bars... and I'm back to making my own tomato sauce. Treats that don't fall under $2 lb rule still need to be under $2 or $4 tops. I'm pretty good at it now, but its probably pretty overwhelming to people who aren't used to shopping this way or have better things to do. We'll see how dedicated I am to the cause when I have a full time job and a little more money.
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PostPosted: Oct 15, 2011 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, between this and some of the posts over in grown-up venting, I think we need a spinoff thread, "why the #$^%#^ do guys always vacuum up the most expensive food in the house?"
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PostPosted: Oct 15, 2011 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have similar feelings about both making food for people/events and knitting for non-knitters. I've refined my "bringable" foods to be things that have a good response and aren't very expensive. That usually means sweet potato biscuits, whole berry cranberry sauce or something made out of what I already have a glut of, like green tomato casserole, giant mixed greens salad, apple crisp, or, if I have extra bread, this amazing onion soup for guests. Nothing with too much butter, chocolate or specialty ingredients!

And knitting for non-knitters or people who haven't fawned over something else I made is a quick path to burnout! No more!

My mantra with both of these things, though, is to use what I already have to avoid big cash outlay.
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PostPosted: Oct 15, 2011 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh! And almost all dinner parties are potlucks. Everyone brings something, I'm not stressed about massive food prep and there will be SOMETHING for everyone.
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PostPosted: Oct 15, 2011 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

daysleeper wrote:


Fruit/Vegetables
75% - $1 - $1.50/lb or less
25% - $2/lb
exception -- my beloved $2 package ($3.99/lb) baby spinach
Proteins:
$2/lb or less
Legumes/Pasta/Grains
$1 lb/ less
Bread
$1.25 lb max
Cheese:
$2.50 lb or less
+ 1 expensive cheese every 1-2 weeks under $6/lb
Yogurt/Milk/Eggs
$1.50 lb or less
Coffee/cocoa/Tea
$5.00 lb max
Snacks
$2.00/ lb less
Condiments
$2 per item max


Wow, this really made it hit home the huge differences in cost of living. The majority of food in our supermarket just isn't available at the prices you have set for budgeting. Maybe if there was a massive sale where you were required to buy multiples of items...
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PostPosted: Oct 15, 2011 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I make fancy things for potlucks or to bring to the office it's because I want to make something (either because it's an experiment or something I'm craving) and don't need to eat it all myself. People's appreciation is nice, but I guess I've gotten to the point where I'm not expecting it because it's more about me and doing something for my own self-gratification.
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PostPosted: Oct 15, 2011 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nemesis wrote:
Wow, this really made it hit home the huge differences in cost of living. The majority of food in our supermarket just isn't available at the prices you have set for budgeting.


Yeah, even in the US, the grocery stores accessible to me don't have much that meets daysleeper's criteria. Even standard apple varieties are $1.99/lb where I usually shop, with fancy ones at $4. And I live in a big apple-producing state! There are cheaper stores/farm stands further away, but I don't have a car.

I used to get almost all of my produce under $1/lb. I know that that's unrealistically cheap in the long run, but it's still a rude awakening.
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PostPosted: Oct 15, 2011 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tinyrock wrote:
Nemesis wrote:
Wow, this really made it hit home the huge differences in cost of living. The majority of food in our supermarket just isn't available at the prices you have set for budgeting.


Yeah, even in the US, the grocery stores accessible to me don't have much that meets daysleeper's criteria. Even standard apple varieties are $1.99/lb where I usually shop, with fancy ones at $4. And I live in a big apple-producing state! There are cheaper stores/farm stands further away, but I don't have a car.

I used to get almost all of my produce under $1/lb. I know that that's unrealistically cheap in the long run, but it's still a rude awakening.


I live in NJ, which is a strange place. The cost of living as far as taxes, insurance and real estate is crazy high, but food and fuel does seem a little lower than other places I've visited. My bf lives 12 miles away in PA, and I see a big difference in prices. Being such a huge East coast transport hub, I think we do get a break on a lot of things, there's also a lot of competition, within 10 miles there are too many grocery stores to count. I do go over budget - today I bought 2 avocados for $1 each which is a good price, but still over budget. I also bought mushrooms which were .99, but way over $2/lb as well.

That aside, I do have to do some work and have some patience to find things at the right price and definitely have to wait until things are on sale - especially at the straight up grocery store (which has the highest prices overall imo) Eg: for 2 weeks mozzarella cheese was $1.99/lb, and ricotta was $2.99 for a 32 oz container. This week its back to $4.50 for Mozz and $7.99 for ricotta. Someone always has chicken breasts on sale for $1.99/lb, and the fancy grocery store of all places has 85/15 ground beef for $2 - $2.50 all the time. I have a discount vegetable market close by and that's where I buy 90% of my fresh vegetables and produce. Frozen broccoli is $1.29/lb at TJ's, frozen strawberries $1.69. I buy a lot of staples at Tar get and Wal-evil. I have logged hours of comparative price shopping. I have no life.
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PostPosted: Oct 15, 2011 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in California, and if you limit yourself to buying the "loss leaders" at the grocery store or seasonal produce, you can definitely keep your vegetable costs under $2/lb. Cabbage, carrots, and onions are consistently at or under $1/lb (not on sale), so those do form a sort of vegetable "core" for me. Fruit is a bit harder, but during the summer there are usually cheap stone fruits, and in the winter there's citrus.

I used to live in North Carolina, and was able to keep my produce costs consistently under $2/lb also, again you have to have a core of items that are consistently cheap and then keep an eye on the sales.

Dried legumes for me are usually $1-2/lb, sometimes split peas can be found for less. Pasta is only $1/lb if it's on sale, but it stores well so you can always stock up.


I am pretty impressed with the cheese prices Daysleeper posted, $4/lb is the cheapest you ever see cheese for around here (and that's the kind of blah storebrand block of medium cheddar, on sale or with a coupon). $5-7/lb is more typical for anything decent. I compensate for the price by using cheese more as a condiment than as a major component of a dish.
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