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PostPosted: Jan 13, 2012 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Double-posting to bump.

This isn't really connected with points, but I thought this would probably be the best thread to put this in anyway.

(Hopefully, anyone who finds the topic of weight loss triggering wouldn't read this thread anyway, but if you are, please know this post may be problematic.)


How did you decide what your goal weight was going to be?

Because I joined WW online only, I haven't had any guidance from a group leader, so I just picked a goal weight (145) from somewhere in the middle of the 'healthy' range for my height. However, my Wii Fit tells me my ideal weight (whatever that means really) is 149. Not a vast difference, but I'm at 150 as of this morning, and I can't decide whether to continue or switch to maintenence.
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PostPosted: Jan 13, 2012 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

town hall, since WW uses BMI as a guide for healthy weight (and honestly they are rather conservative with it: the U.S. government says that you can be between 18.5 and 24.9 on the BMI and be at a healthy weight, but WW says you need to be between 20 and 25), the suggestion I was given was to aim for the lower end of that range: 20-22 since I am young (joined at age 23) and would like to have babies, will hit menopause, etc. eventually and aiming for the lower end of the range would give me some 'wiggle room' to eventually gain small amounts without immediately being overweight. Is the 5lb difference between your WW goal and your WiiFit ideal a difference on the BMI chart? Is the number 145 something you would just like to see on the scale? Will that 5lbs possibly let you drop a clothing size (and do you want to)?

Those are the things I'd think about. I've been struggling with this lately as I just hit 75lbs lost and my goal is in 2 more pounds. It's an arbitrary number that I chose (with wanting to be at the low end of the range as my goal -- I am still going to be just above the lowest joining weight for women of my height, and technically I'm a little bit under the height). I almost declared goal at 75lbs lost, in fact, because losing 2lbs isn't really going to make a difference in the big picture. But I want to get to that number, so 2 more pounds it is!

I hope that helps a little :) As long as both weights are in the healthy range, you're good to go for either. It just comes down to the difference between them in your thinking!
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PostPosted: Jan 13, 2012 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done on losing 75lb! And good luck with the last few :)

My healthy range is 135lb-169lb, according to WW, so my goal is kind of lower-middle (I have lost about 20lb - I was only on the lower end of 'overweight' by BMI when I started but was gaining weight fairly steadily). My current BMI is about 22.2; my BMI at 145 would be 21.41. I'm 31.

I know I would be far, far too thin at the lowest end of the range (last time I was that weight I was a skinny teenager, getting asked if I was eating properly on a regular basis), but I don't feel on the verge of being too thin now. Regarding dress sizes, I'm not sure if another 5lb would zip me down a size, and tbh I don't really mind about that at this point, either way.

Thanks for your advice, you are very knowledgable! I think I'll leave my goal as-is for now and see where I am next week.
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PostPosted: Feb 01, 2012 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Argh! I apologise for repeatedly bumping this thread when it seems like I'm just using it to ask mylissa questions! :)

So, does anyone use the points swapping thing for when you exercise? I'm quite bad at exercising, but I've been trying to use my Wii Fit more just to get my arse off the sofa. I've been swapping it for WW PPs just by saying the number of minutes and counting it as Low Intensity. Does that sound right?

When I do the step program, I use a riser for the board to make it an actual step up. Should I count that as more? It certainly feels like more exercise than a lot of the other stuff on there.

One day I'll get out and do some real exercise, but running is out at the moment because of a foot injury, and also because I hate it. Whatever I do needs to be free, because I have no cash to spare right now.
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PostPosted: Feb 01, 2012 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

town hall wrote:
Argh! I apologise for repeatedly bumping this thread when it seems like I'm just using it to ask mylissa questions! :)


Bahahaha cracks me up! :) I'm actually about to go to my meeting and I loooove that we kind of having a G* meeting going on here!

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So, does anyone use the points swapping thing for when you exercise? I'm quite bad at exercising, but I've been trying to use my Wii Fit more just to get my arse off the sofa. I've been swapping it for WW PPs just by saying the number of minutes and counting it as Low Intensity. Does that sound right?

When I do the step program, I use a riser for the board to make it an actual step up. Should I count that as more? It certainly feels like more exercise than a lot of the other stuff on there.

One day I'll get out and do some real exercise, but running is out at the moment because of a foot injury, and also because I hate it. Whatever I do needs to be free, because I have no cash to spare right now.


I always feel like you can't go wrong if you're lowballing the intensity -- let's say you're overestimating the intensity and eating all of those points -- then you're accidentally eating too many points! The intensity guidelines (sweating after a certain # of minutes) can be helpful, but not always. When/if you DO end up with cash to spare, I highly recommend a heart rate monitor. I know my intensity ranges by HR and can count the exercise PP with those.

As for swapping the exercise for PP, it sounds like you're doing it right -- you've got your minutes and call it low intensity and then you get a certain amount of points, right? (side note: I often feel like I should get more points than I do, haha -- well, I run, so as long as I run 30+ minutes at high intensity, it feels about right, but Zumba averaged to a moderate HR for me and an hour only got me like 3 points!)

I tend to use my activity points as an extra -- maybe I ate my weekly points, but I want a dish of ice cream and it'll put me 1 point over my daily limit. I'm thrilled to see activity points...it means I can eat the ice cream! (Okay, for 1 point over I'd probably just eat it anyway, but you know what i mean :)
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PostPosted: Feb 01, 2012 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apologies for spelling your name wrong, oops.

thanks for the info! The heartrate monitor is a good idea. I wish I could get into running; seems like it would be a really good option, but I always give up 'cos I just haaaate it.

Are you on 'maintain' points now? How are you finding it? Do you use all your weekly points? I ask because I went onto maintenance points last week for a break, and lost three pounds, which was... confusing, heh. I switched back to 'lose' this week for a final push to get to goal (which I reached this morning according to the Wii, woo!), so from Friday I'll be back up to maintenance points and don't want to continue losing weight!
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PostPosted: Feb 01, 2012 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm on maintenance, but I'm still trying to juggle my points to maintain. I lost my first week on maintenance, despite having lost 3lbs the week before (which was crazy!)

My leader told me that my goal now is to know my "losing" points (i.e., what I have to eat to lose) and my maintaining points (i.e. what keeps my weight stable.) Sometimes I find that when I eat more than usual my body compensates for it by losing since it's used to having less -- if that makes sense at all. That's probably what happened when you went to the maintenance points and lost! (and maybe what happened to me my first week on maintenance).
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PostPosted: Mar 05, 2012 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bumpity bump

So I have the opportunity to join WW for free at work and I'm seriously considering it. I tried it 7 years a go and never went to the meetings so of course I failed. If I join through work I have go to 10 of the 13 weekly meeting to have work pay for it and I can go at work, during my work day.

The session starts tomorrow and I'm mostly afraid that I won't be able to make the change. I need to loose about 60 pounds to get to the top of the WW range for my height/age. At my thinnest I was around that weight so I know it will be a stretch to get back there.

Will I be hungry all the time?? I'm mean when I'm hungry :(
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PostPosted: Mar 05, 2012 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nap wrote:

The session starts tomorrow and I'm mostly afraid that I won't be able to make the change. I need to loose about 60 pounds to get to the top of the WW range for my height/age. At my thinnest I was around that weight so I know it will be a stretch to get back there.

Will I be hungry all the time?? I'm mean when I'm hungry :(


Okay, so I am clearly in love with WW, but I vote DO IT! I lost 80 pounds on WW...and I never EVER would have believed when I started that I would get here. I really didn't know where I would end up weight-wise for the longest time, and I think that helped me. I wasn't focused on anything big: I set out to lose my first five pounds, 5% of my starting weight, then 10% of my starting weight. I moved on to goals of every 5 pounds with additional excitement for certain weights (like the one on my driver's license, which I was heavier than, even at age 16,...and one day, that was the number on the scale!) So just join with the goal to lost the first 5 and see how you feel!

(1) You should not be hungry. I think that I may have been a little hungry some days as I figured out how to eat/what to eat to keep me satisfied, but that didn't last to terribly long. WW is geared at you NOT being hungry, in fact.

(2) I found the meetings incredibly helpful to help me stay on track. There's the weighing in accountability, and the sharing of tips and tricks. If you find that you're hungry your first week, go back to that meeting and say that you were struggling with being hungry, help! :)

IDK if that is what you really wanted to know, but it might also help to know that the plan has changed significantly from the last time you were a member, so while the basic premise is still there (points), it's like a new program :)

GOOD LUCK! And feel free to FB me/PM me/leave posts here for support/questions!
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PostPosted: Mar 06, 2012 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mylissa - you are awesome! I signed up today and got my welcome packet and am totally overwhelmed. I know I need to read it tonight but I've already meal planned and grocery shopped for the week so I'm going to take this week/weekend to digest the info and try to start with my meal plan for next week.

Do you any of the online tools? I have access to them and think I want to use the iphone app to track everyting. Decisions, decisions!
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PostPosted: Mar 06, 2012 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always found the WW tracker to be kind of tedious, but I know a lot of people love it, so it's worth trying it. I always just did a paper tracker so I could track everywhere I went, and once I got a smartphone I downloaded a tracker made for android. No matter what you decide, though, get in the habit of tracking ASAP. Sometimes it's a pain in the butt, but it's always worth it. I am rarely surprised by the scale when I track consistently, and never wish I hadn't tracked :)

Fun things about etools: Recipe Builder is amazing! I feel like it's the way to go for any cooking/baking when a recipe doesn't have the nutrition info (or PP). I also really enjoyed the weight tracker feature so I could get a graph of my progress.

If I may suggest it, I always always wish that I'd taken my measurements when I started, so I advise that you do so :) (and you can enter them on the website too!)

BTW, I have suggested this other places, but skinnytaste.com is my FAVE food blog for healthy recipes, so you should definitely check it out :) She does the WW pointsplus for her recipes and tells you what a serving of the dish is. Love it :)
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PostPosted: Mar 06, 2012 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to second the skinny taste rec. I started WW a month ago with a friend and we've made a number of her recipes. As someone who doesn't cook, they're pretty simple and you always feel like you've had a real meal.
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PostPosted: Mar 07, 2012 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I joined WW online-only, and used the online tracker. It's a bit of a pain the bum, but it saved me from having to work out the points manually. (I stopped tracking last week, but may go back to it depending on what the scales say when I weigh in on Friday!) The recipe builder is something I liked, too, as was finding recipes on the WW website and making substitutions. For example, I was never going to buy that lo-cal spray for cooking with, but was able to sub in (controlled amounts of) olive oil & have the recipe come out with the same points value per portion at the end.

I would also second taking your measurements, unless you really don't want to. I have a vague idea of what mine were before, but it'd be interesting to see the graph of them changing over time.

Good luck!
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PostPosted: May 09, 2012 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So... I'm thinking of joining. I'm feeling increasingly flabby, and that I'm probably not eating the right things. So I need some guidance. I have a tendency to not eat sometimes, and then eat quite crappy food/snacks instead. Not really a healthy behaviour...

It's just that I'm probably about 15 pounds over my ideal weight and it feels like it's "not enough" to seek help.

Encouraging words please?
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PostPosted: May 09, 2012 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aliwa wrote:
So... I'm thinking of joining. I'm feeling increasingly flabby, and that I'm probably not eating the right things. So I need some guidance. I have a tendency to not eat sometimes, and then eat quite crappy food/snacks instead. Not really a healthy behaviour...

It's just that I'm probably about 15 pounds over my ideal weight and it feels like it's "not enough" to seek help.

Encouraging words please?


Whether you join WW or choose something else, you really shouldn't wait until you've gained "enough" to get help with your eating habits! I had a friend join WW to lose 10 pounds and she LOVES the healthy habits she picked up -- she realized that she really hadn't been eating the right portions or the right stuff, and she feels really energized and empowered now.

Also, you can join WW as long as you weigh 5 lbs above the lowest weight for your height (they use BMI, and while most U.S. health orgs says a BMI of 18 or 18.5 is the lowest one can be, WW uses a BMI of 20 -- which I am fairly close to at my goal weight, and I really don't think I would be or look healthy lower than this!).

I think I need a kick in the pants, too. I was happily maintaining a weight I was really satisfied at, but some of that maintaining seemed too good to be true, as in addition to my healthy foods, I was splurging a LOT...and it caught up to me, in the form of 2.2 pounds last week (?! some of that had to be bloat, right? I didn't actually gain 2 pounds in a week?!) and I'm kind of nervous about the scale this week (despite working on tracking, etc. I still had issues with not sticking to the plan). I know 2 lbs is 2 lbs, but I feel really great at my lower weight and would rather be there. I know the answer is to TRACK and stick to the plan, but for whatever reason, I'm having difficulty being in that mindset!
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