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irish*eyes



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PostPosted: Mar 20, 2012 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I sometimes feel that "feminism is a defining value" really means "a specific brand of feminism is a defining value".


Amen.


I have actual thoughts to contribute to this thread, and will do so when I have access to a computer and not this iffy cell phone.
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PostPosted: Mar 20, 2012 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gee whiz, I just poked around the pink & brown boards...

made me pretty nostalgic. I signed up on them in April 2001 (!! geeeeez!) I remember being really wowed & excited by it. I didn't have regular internet access at that time, and only got a chance to 'surf' the net when I visited my parents - so the internet was this incredible source of ideas & information to me. When I found pink & brown & saw that there were PAGES and PAGES and PAAAAGES of people just sharing their crafty ideass & questions & projects & swapping .. oh wow, my mind was blown & I was so excited.

I mostly stuck to posting about crafts on those pink & brown boards, I remember feeling shy/weird about starting to post more in 'la vida crafty' when the boards switched over to here.

Is this place on its way out? I don't think so. I don't post as often as I used to/should, but that is mainly because my offline life is pretty complicated. On one hand it is great to come on here & talk about nail polish & babies, but when I come on & there is trouble, I just cannot handle it. Not to say that I don't think those blowouts shouldn't happen - they usually (hopefully) end up okay & with people maybe learning something new.

To say that 'a lot' has happened to me since I first signed up is a big understatement. in 2007, my world went topsy turvy upside downy & this was really one of the first places I came to cry about it. I took a break for a while & then last year, when again, everything went bonkers in my life, glitter was here to catch me & to support & love me with no questions asked. I see it time & time again - even people who admit to being mainly lurkers but are looking for insight & support are (usually) met with nothing but. To me, that is special. That isn't something you'll find very often. Heck - like... you guys threw me a virtual baby shower & one of you delivered a box of yellow love & awesomeness right to my door in a time of incredible need & craziness.

I do wish the craft board was more active, but in order for that to happen I have to start being more active - which I'll admit I haven't been.

I'll also admit that since Ravelry popped up, and I joined a group on there of ladies who all had their babies at the same time, I have been mostly posting there but really, they aren't the same as g*. You guys are special.

I've learned SO MUCH here. More than I realize, probably.

And also, when I signed up 11 years ago, I could totally pull off the whole 'kneesocks' thing & now I couldn't possibly. Maybe time for a name change & a new dedication to reviving the beloved craft community.
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Melmont



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PostPosted: Mar 20, 2012 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's time for a break for me too...I have found that I usually have little to contribute to a lot of discussions, and that most posts are about things I don't experience in my life -- professional/office stuff, baby stuff, wedding stuff. I don't really feel like it's a DIY sharing community at this point. For two years now, I've been doing an intensive diploma in Fibre Arts at a local craft and design college, but to my recollection, I've never discussed that here. It's rare that a question comes up that I feel qualified to answer, except maybe where color theory is involved.

Glitter used to make me feel engaged in a lot of socio/political and feminist debate and discussion, but over the past little while, that hasn't come up very often except in the big blowouts. I don't know, I don't really feel like I belong or contribute much lately, which makes me a bit sad, but it is what it is. I think some time away might give me a fresher perspective on what G* means (or meant) to me.

I've been spending too much angry/frustrated time here, which usually means it's time for a change in my life.
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PostPosted: Mar 20, 2012 4:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Where ya going, Glitter? Reply with quote

Yes, planning on sticking around. I've learned so much from you all!

Quit for good, not really. Many strong people = many strong opinions = occasional misunderstandings. The good stuff more than makes up for any bad moments. And even in those bad moments - I learn so much from you all!

Since I haven't been around that long I suspect that the cyclical nature of life is reflected here in G* as well. We have time for crafts (but no money) - we get busy with family/career/etc - things change - we find more time for crafting again. So no, there is no end for a need for a place where artistic/creative people get together and hopefully inspire each other.

I wish I had a IRL community that could replace G*. But I'm working on it, not to take the place of G* but because having more glitter type gals close by so we could visit etc would be so cool. I have a degree in art but a full time job/child/lots of home responsibilities that make it darn near impossible to carve out time to make cool stuff. I love the reminder that making art is what I need to change in my life - like the #1 thing. Coming here on a regular basis reminds me I'm not the only one who struggles with the balance and I do keep my craft supplies out in hopes one Sunday I have more than just a couple of pictures to share.
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PostPosted: Mar 20, 2012 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use glitter when I have the time. I'll probably continue to do so. I generally stick to fluffier topics (like arts and crafts and fun little swaps).

The Blowout has me a little concerned with... word choices. I mean, I know I've said things in an ungraceful way. I do my best to be respectful, but I'm not perfect. So far, 90% of G* has been very forgiving of any ignorance I've shown and I appreciate this immensely. We're *not* all immersed in feminism studies and that's ok. I'm so interested in learning about different cultures and ideas and -isms, but it's not going to work out if people are blatantly dismissive and rude. I can't learn from someone if all they're doing is yelling at me.

When using only written word to communicate, you lose a LOT of context and a lot of the opportunity to respond in a timely manner. (We all have a life outside of glitter, after all.) There's a lot of time for the shit to hit the fan and without underlying respect, the "community" won't work.

I've cut a lot of drama out of my life recently. I don't really want or anticipate G* being one of these dramatic things. And if it does get too drama-filled, I'll just walk away for a while.

I like you, G* people. You're rad.
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scaredsi11y



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PostPosted: Mar 20, 2012 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took a break in 2011, but other than that, I've also been here ten years. Although I haven't met anyone in person, I do feel like I "know" a lot of you after so many years of conversing, picture-sharing, swapping, etc. I think of you as real people, not just usernames!

I still think there's value in Glitter. I took my break because it had ceased to be a welcoming and inspiring place for me. (Maybe I should have bolded the 'for me' part?) I never thought it had become an awful place in general, but I found myself getting more upset about certain issues than I would have liked to. I needed some time away to reflect about what my participation here means to me, and what my boundaries should be in the future.

Okay, now for the part that's sad-but-true:

If I were to stumble upon the Glitter of 2012, I probably wouldn't be as excited about it as I was to find the pink and brown boards in 2002. The topics have shifted in a way that has become a lot less relevant to my life. Melmont, I can relate to what you said about finding very little to share at this point.

When I check the main boards after a week away and find only fluffy threads, I feel sort of like I do when I see one of my old friends and realize that I have very little in common with them anymore. You know how that is, right? It's not like I don't care about them or never want to visit with them again, but I've lost the "can't wait to hang out all weekend!!" feeling I used to have when we were both at the same point in our lives. I guess that's the best analogy I can come up with for how I feel about Glitter at this point.
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PostPosted: Mar 20, 2012 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glitter is the Heath Ledger to my Jake Gyllenhall.

I don't know how to quit you all!




(I have more productive things to say, but not the time at the moment and couldn't resist sharing that thought. I'll be back.)
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Kelly.



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PostPosted: Mar 20, 2012 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[goddamnit, internet ate my post]

killr wrote:
I have read a few mentions that g* is on its way out and Im curious as to what the larger constituency feels about this sentiment.


I don't think that g* is on its way out, but I do feel like it is going through a slow period, which happens and I've seen happen before, but it feels more extreme than it has other times.

laurasia wrote:
Is there some deal-breaker that would make you quit g* for good?
Maybe if I felt attacked, especially if it crossed over into facebook or real life. The recent fallout and a certain list of real names/glitter names that appeared briefly on FB (and has since been removed) has really made me start thinking about my privacy and the lack of management that I've done for it. I could start a whole new thread about that, but that is definitely my main concern with glitter.


I think that regardless of the way the boards feel at the moment, this is a huge kicker for me. While I don't think that friendships from g* shouldn't extend to other social media platforms, the fact that scarymonster went on to facebook to brag about getting banned and drawing attention to the thread, REALLY rubbed me the wrong way; seeing prominent and well known members then piling on and saying stuff which was a)pretty nasty and b)would get them banned on here added to it big time. How do you stop that kind of thing? I don't know, I don't think you can, but that doesn't stop it making me really sad.

figwit wrote:
I don't feel attacked or persecuted, but I do feel like my lifestyle choices aren't 'accepted' or welcome here, so I've just gradually dropped replying to threads because having to read all the defensive replies gets old.

Over time it seems like the more 'fringe' and alternative lifestyle folks have been either driven or just quietly left the board, and it seems like I'm going that way, too.


It's interesting that you say that figwit, because to me g* has always been more open and alternative to me (but that could be because I feel I'm pretty mainstream).
It makes me sad that you feel that way figwit because I've always found it so interesting to hear about your lifestyle -because- it is so different to mine.

irish*eyes wrote:
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I sometimes feel that "feminism is a defining value" really means "a specific brand of feminism is a defining value".


Amen.

I have actual thoughts to contribute to this thread, and will do so when I have access to a computer and not this iffy cell phone.


THIS! (to both).
Sometimes I feel wary about posting on certain topics because I don't feel that I live up to the g* ideal of feminism.

I also have to say that because I use my iPhone 90% of the time for internet (home sick so am on the laptop) and for some weird reason it won't let me log on to g*, that has stopped me posting as much. Also the fact that I can't stay logged on and have to log on every time I want to post or view the grown up boards has often stopped me (which is nothing more than pure laziness on my part, but just saying).

scaredsi11y wrote:
When I check the main boards after a week away and find only fluffy threads, I feel sort of like I do when I see one of my old friends and realize that I have very little in common with them anymore. You know how that is, right? It's not like I don't care about them or never want to visit with them again, but I've lost the "can't wait to hang out all weekend!!" feeling I used to have when we were both at the same point in our lives. I guess that's the best analogy I can come up with for how I feel about Glitter at this point.


Not being antagonising, but genuinely interested (and this is aimed at everyone) - how do we change that? Do we all make an effort to post more/more quality posts? Like a lot of people, I would like g* to head more in the direction of what it used to be (I don't think it will ever go back to "the good old days") but I don't know how we do that.
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PostPosted: Mar 20, 2012 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't read that as antagonistic, Kelly. I think it's a good question. While I think that the archives are useful and helpful, sometimes I kind of wish there wasn't so much history here. I don't like to see threads get deflated when someone points out, "we already talked about this in 2007 and 2009, and here are the links."
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PostPosted: Mar 20, 2012 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scaredsi11y wrote:
I didn't read that as antagonistic, Kelly. I think it's a good question. While I think that the archives are useful and helpful, sometimes I kind of wish there wasn't so much history here. I don't like to see threads get deflated when someone points out, "we already talked about this in 2007 and 2009, and here are the links."


I agree with that too, I don't like the idea that all that history is sitting there, almost like a shadow following us around.

The other thing that I am really uncomfortable with is the fact that we have nearly 21,000 registered members, and only 1,200 of those have more than ten posts. While I understand this is the internet and that it is full of lurkers, I would really love to see the member list purged and cleared out.
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PostPosted: Mar 20, 2012 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scaredsi11y wrote:
I didn't read that as antagonistic, Kelly. I think it's a good question. While I think that the archives are useful and helpful, sometimes I kind of wish there wasn't so much history here. I don't like to see threads get deflated when someone points out, "we already talked about this in 2007 and 2009, and here are the links."


Out of curiousity, and if anyone feels like sharing, what are some topics that have come up in the past that you miss now? Just interested in seeing if it's possible to figure out what that glitter sweet spot it.

I enjoy some of the fluff threads, so I will say I don't want those gone completely :)

Some things that are maybe semi-fluff but semi-serious that I have enjoyed are the book/movie threads. I feel like you'll get recs that aren't necessarily so "mainstream" and I have found some really great stuff through those threads. Music I would say also, though for me perhaps to a lesser degree (I am just not a huge music person, sorry!). I also love when we get into threads on specific books. Even if they are popular/mainstream books (Harry Potter, Hunger Games), I feel like there's always a different perspective on them here.

I do actually really appreciate many of the discussions that have gone on surrounding issues like women's rights, minority rights, immigration, etc.

Even though I am pretty sure Figwit and I are living pretty different lifestyles in many ways, I really love some of the posts she's made about food/nutrition, and I've definitely gotten some useful and non-mainstream info from some of the links she's posted, so I do hope she's not planning on dropping off the face of g* completely.

And, like I said earlier, I do miss that the community is not as craft/DIY centric as it once was. I will probably be taking myself over to the craft/food boards more to remedy that.
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PostPosted: Mar 20, 2012 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been intermittent for a while now, but I'm another decade-plus-long poster (though on pink-and-brown I had a different name or five -- it was my teen years and my self-invention stage!).

When I found y'all, I was a dorky, shy, crafty kid who didn't know much beyond a very conservative religious perspective of the world. You basically WERE my friends when I was in high school -- some people I wanted to be BFFs with, others I didn't "get" just yet. Likewise while I was slogging through the military. I told you all everything I couldn't tell people in "real life". I knew, sometimes, that y'all were probably rolling your eyes at whatever I was babbling (crushes, especially) but I also knew that you'd been there or would be there.

And I've met a handful of y'all in person. I've maintained decade-long "internet friendships" which are more like true friendships with more than a few. And others, well, I probably like something about you even if I've never said it out loud.

But...the internet's not the friendly world of wonder and knowledge that it seemed to be when I was 16. I think most of us know that. Even here, we've had our few sneaky trolls, and that has made me wary of sharing as much anymore. And, well, I don't have as much free time as I used to for sitting and playing. I'm a lot better about staying focused on what I *need* to do, and my catalog of interests is HUGE these days.

And, yeah, I've learned a lot from y'all. I hadn't knowingly met anyone who was gay or lesbian before I first found pink-and-brown, for goodness' sake! I still thought that I couldn't be religious and liberal! Hell, I thought anyone who wasn't my flavor of Christian was a bad person! I thought Celestial Seasonings was good tea!!! Y'all showed me a lot more of the world than an insular church, suburban high school, or the military could. Not to mention the different kinds of crafts. Y'all helped that process, because I had to compare the people I was talking to with what I'd been told about "them" and figure out what was real and true.


But, I do see that there's a lot less activity. I think most of us are pretty busy, and don't have time to sit and carry on a ten-page discussion about doing feminism/vegetarianism/veganism/activism/any other -ism over the course of an afternoon. Personally, I might have time for a few posts, then I'm gone for several hours -- the message board format is great for reading the discussion later, but a misstated idea might turn into dozens of analytic posts. It's a lot easier to keep up with a "fluffy" topic that way, KWIM?

I don't think glitter is going anywhere, honestly. I think members come and go, and posting is heavy or light, and the venue may change. Glitter itself has changed.

And, am I the only one who never made or had marble magnets?
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PostPosted: Mar 20, 2012 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was a lot more crafty when I was a member back on pink/brown member and have been somewhat intermittent since then.


I think sometimes I check here out of habit rather than having an actual drive to post and my posting has been erratic for a few reasons.

The board can be quite NA-centric on occasion and I really don't have much to add to threads about spring when it is going into autumn here. I also work full time and have quite the busy fitness schedule. Even though I mostly lurk I think the majority of people are quite awesome though so I would be sad to see G* go.
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PostPosted: Mar 20, 2012 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aliwa wrote:
This last few days has actually convinced me that I want to spend _more_ time here. The discussions have been quite painful but also made me realise that I've been lazy.


I love your attitude aliwa! I agree...I'm going to try harder too. Be the change you wish to see and all that stuff :)
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PostPosted: Mar 20, 2012 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kelly. wrote:
The other thing that I am really uncomfortable with is the fact that we have nearly 21,000 registered members, and only 1,200 of those have more than ten posts. While I understand this is the internet and that it is full of lurkers, I would really love to see the member list purged and cleared out.

I think part of the issue with inactive posters (and spammers) is that Tsia is busy with real-life stuff and doesn't have time to deal with it personally. Maybe we need more volunteers?
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