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PostPosted: Oct 12, 2011 12:35 am    Post subject: The Price Of Preparing Food For Others... Reply with quote

I have a food related vent here. Over the past two days, I have gathered the ingredients to make a cherry cobbler and a peach cobbler to take to work for my boss's birthday. Everyone is bringing something, so I volunteered the cobbler. I don't mind the work involved, but the price is...ouch. I spent 30 dollars on pie filling, parchment paper, flour and shortening. Pie filling is killer - it's like 3.50 a can. I have no way of making fresh cherries and fresh peaches for the filling at this time of year. Not to mention, fresh fruit is almost as expensive. So here I am shelling out for these cobblers, and no one acts like it's that big of deal.

I also have a burr under my butt for a second date I had that went nowhere. I invited him over to my house for dinner, and he is a vegetarian. So I made vegetarian lasagna, garlic toast and a nice field green and strawberry salad. I spent 30 bucks on this stuff, too! Buying lasagna noodles, sauce, ricotta, eggplants, mushrooms, field greens, strawberries, celery, feta cheese, almonds, garlic toast. He ate it with relish and had like 6 pieces of garlic toast and said he was impressed, and then he left and never called again. I was miffed! I feel like if you go out of your way for someone to make them dinner, the least you can do is offer to cook dinner yourself or something. Nothing.

I don't mind springing for meals or baked goods every once in a while, but it astounds me that so many people are so nonchalant about what it costs to cook and bake at home. People act like oh, you've got stuff on hand, why don't you just whip something up? Hardly anyone I know has all the ingredients for dinners or baked goods just in their kitchens, taking up space. Hell, to even make cookies to bring to work or school can cost you at least ten dollars if you even have half the ingredients in your kitchen - if I were to make cookies for work it would run me close to 15, because I'd have to buy vanilla and powdered sugar and chocolate chips and brown sugar and all kinds of crap.

Has anyone else had this kind of sticker shock with people just having the idea that oh, you like to cook, you like to bake, surely you can just whip something up, no biggie?
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PostPosted: Oct 12, 2011 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be frank, that's a huge reason why my mom and I only take box mix stuff to potlucks and things. You can buy them on sale, and people like them just as well.
If the people at your work don't seem to care one way or another, I would stop making fancy pies to take to them. Otherwise, as you have experienced, it's just going to frustrate you, and put you out money that is not necessary.

Most people don't cook, or bake, and have absolutely no clue what exactly the costs are for it. It's the same thing with knitting and crochet. People are so used to cheap goods and foods that they really don't have any concept of what the pricing REALLY should be for those items.

But that doesn't make it all the less frustrating in your situation!
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PostPosted: Oct 12, 2011 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlueJedi wrote:
To be frank, that's a huge reason why my mom and I only take box mix stuff to potlucks and things. You can buy them on sale, and people like them just as well.


I agree. It sounds super generous of you to make homemade cobbler, but did someone request cobbler, or could some Duncan Hines brownies have worked just as well?

Every now and then I'll get the notion to bake something to bring to work- then I remember I don't have baking soda or eggs and I have the wrong kind of flour and not enough milk and I guess I'll probably need 3 bags of chocolate chips and... forget it.


As far as the date goes... I hate to say it but that's an awful lot of effort for a second date. Again, very generous of you, but I'd be sure he was interested in seeing me again before I spent that much effort. And just being impressed with garlic toast doesn't mean he's obligated to call you. It sucks that your generosity was not repaid, but a second date does not guarantee a third, whether you made him Velveeta macaroni or a 5-course meal.
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PostPosted: Oct 12, 2011 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlueJedi wrote:

Most people don't cook, or bake, and have absolutely no clue what exactly the costs are for it. It's the same thing with knitting and crochet. People are so used to cheap goods and foods that they really don't have any concept of what the pricing REALLY should be for those items.

But that doesn't make it all the less frustrating in your situation!


I totally agree.
They buy $5 mittens at Old Navy and a $5 pie on sale at Publix and have no clue how much these things really cost in both materials and energy.
I like to thing most people are not jerks, but simply clueless.

I often bring cake mix cupcakes to potlucks. I pipe the icing so they are pretty, but they are cheap. I'm also a fan of deviled eggs. So cheap, but people seem to love them.

I think you are very generous. And I am craving cobbler now... Yum!
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PostPosted: Oct 12, 2011 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

when i first started working here, i brought homemade stuff once in a while. but no one else ever brings anything. i even brought donuts once and they were still like $10. but no one else ever brings anything, so i stopped all together. once in a while someone will bring a bag of cookies or something, but i just pass on them so i dont feel bad at all for not bringing stuff.
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PostPosted: Oct 12, 2011 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm also in the camp that brings cheap/easy stuff to parties or potluck if a "nice" dish is not going to be appreciated. For example, I bake a lot, and the basic baking ingredients (flour, sugar, baking powder) are pretty cheap. What drives the price up is extras like nuts, chocolate, dried fruit, etc. So if I'm bringing something to a group where they just want food and aren't picky about what's in it, I'll make something like a very basic yellow cake. If I'm cooking for someone special or who will really notice the special extras, I'll pull out the stops.

I do think the guy you cooked dinner for was super rude to not even call and say "sorry, don't think it's going to work out".

I also usually won't make fancy meals where there are a ton of ingredients that I wouldn't be cooking with anyway. I probably would have make that guy a baked pasta and vegetable casserole and just had some cheese on top for flavor (because the cheese is definitely the pricey part of lasagne!)
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PostPosted: Oct 12, 2011 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I beat my head against the wall for a long time over a very similar issue. I wanted so badly to have lovely dinner parties for my friends. I would make everything from scratch and present everything proudly and I would get a bunch of "what's IN that?" and "I don't like anything mixed together" and "I think I'll just have coffee".

And I'm a good cook. These people were just fussy.

So I stopped. They didn't want to show up on time and eat what I made and show appreciation so now I have open house parties and make everyone bring something. That way everyone has something to eat, I don't have to worry about special diets, pickiness, or food-related lifestyle choices, and I don't have to fork over much money either.

I used to make beautiful from-scratch cakes for people's birthdays and spend hours decorating them. I remember a particular cake where I crushed starlight mints with a rolling pin and pressed them into the frosting on the sides of the cake.....

Then once I made a box cake because I was short of money and time. Duncan Hines, on sale, and a can of premade frosting. You'd think I had dribbled the elixir of heaven upon them. People cleaned that stuff up like it was the best cake ever in the whole wide world....so I decided, fuck 'em. You get Duncan Hines from now on. Even better, one of my friends decided HE liked to bake so now HE puts in the effort and money and I get to enjoy!

People's palates are so accustomed to prepared foods and convenience foods and fast food that homemade stuff doesn't taste as good to many of them. Also, since many people don't cook, they have no idea of the effort that goes into it (like anniebee mentioned).
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PostPosted: Oct 12, 2011 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

knittykat wrote:

People's palates are so accustomed to prepared foods and convenience foods and fast food that homemade stuff doesn't taste as good to many of them.

For serious. I take homemade baked goods to work, but only because I want to make something and not have it sit around the house where I will eat them all and feel ill afterwards (like the peanut butter chocolate chip recipes I made using this recipe, recently posted at Orangette).
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PostPosted: Oct 12, 2011 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally understand!! A few times I thought about bringing stuff to work and always thought better of it. If I absolutely had to bring something it was a $5 maximum expenditure. I had a temp job where they had office parties weekly, people would go all out. I think I made a salad once and said never again. I was sooo not wasting my time or money to lunchtime socialize with people I hated anyway.

My friends don't really cook and think I'm some sort of master chef, so I enjoy the effort. I'm a pretty good shopper and am able to make a fun meal for 4 people for around $25 or less. Its certainly a lot less than taking 4 people to a restaurant.

Several years ago I met this guy and made a big fuss over dinner/birthday cake for him. I made lasagna, meatballs, garlic bread and a chocolate cake. At the time I didn't really cook so I had to buy every single component including salt and pepper. I must have spent close to $100, and I was pretty determined to never do that again. Now I could totally make the same meal out of my pantry/refrigerator, but thats because I stock up on sale items. My current boyfriend started out as my personal trainer and when we initially started hanging out I saw him as this organic food/fitness god. Since I didn't want to seem like a stereotypical nutritionally naive fat girl, I'd buy all this fancy expensive food. That didn't last very long -- he eats far too much to pay $6/lb for chicken.
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PostPosted: Oct 12, 2011 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

daysleeper wrote:
That didn't last very long -- he eats far too much to pay $6/lb for chicken.


I want S to be eating better quality foods, but yeah, seeing the way S can demolish $30 worth of grass-fed free-range beef can be a little disenheartening.
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PostPosted: Oct 12, 2011 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just coming back to post some of my default cheap/simple homemade baked goods and meal ideas:


-coffee cake (I have a very basic recipe, I'll dress it up with nuts or blueberries if I feel extravagant)
-sugar cookies (and related to that, snickerdoodles)
-vanilla cupcakes
-carrot muffins (the "fancy add-in" is carrots, which are super cheap)
-fruit crisp/cobbler (if a good fruit is in season)

Meals:
-Spaghetti with tomato sauce (or do a baked pasta dish but only sprinkle cheese on the top)
-Vegetable curries (versatile, use whatever vegetables are cheap/in season)
-Black bean soup with homemade bread
-For a party, do a build-your-own burrito bar and get everyone to bring a filling
-Roasted potatoes make an amazing and cheap side dish
-Vegetable quiche (again, use seasonal vegetables, go easy on the cheese)
-polenta pie: make a crust of polenta, fill with vegetables, chickpeas or white beans, and a bit of tomato sauce

Like a couple of others have mentioned, my guy can also really demolish a plate of food, so I've gotten good at figuring out cheap and health filler foods. Sauteed cabbage makes a frequent appearance in our side dish repertoire, for example. Just saute in olive oil with minced garlic, let it start to brown up a little, add salt and pepper, and it tastes delicious.

Also, I know I post about this all the time, but always always always figure out what you've already got or what's cheap/in season before planning the menu for a dinner party. If I'm making a main course, sides, and dessert, I'll maybe make a fancy dessert, but do the other dishes more cheaply. Or make a cheap dessert, but get some fancy out of season vegetables for a side. Having people over for meals is mostly about eating communally, so as long as your food is reasonably tasty, it does not have to be a 5-star gourmet meal with all the trimmings.
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PostPosted: Oct 12, 2011 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

meexie wrote:
knittykat wrote:

People's palates are so accustomed to prepared foods and convenience foods and fast food that homemade stuff doesn't taste as good to many of them.

For serious. I take homemade baked goods to work, but only because I want to make something and not have it sit around the house where I will eat them all and feel ill afterwards (like the peanut butter chocolate chip recipes I made using this recipe, recently posted at Orangette).


Definitely this! My partner will outright say "either you or I have to take this to work, otherwise we are going to have problems" when I make something particularly unhealthy and delicious.

I too have discovered that people go gaga over cupcakes made from a box. When they ask for my recipe, I just say its a family secret :)

I have to echo what a lot of others have said: when cooking for a crowd, you have to go with what you have/what is cheap. I'm lucky that I have a lot of baking staples at home, as well as lots of food in general, but if someone is coming over for dinner I brainstorm to figure out what I can make that I don't have to buy all kinds of expensive ingredients for. Or I scour the ads to see what's on sale. During CSA season, I choose veggies we are getting tons of at that time.
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PostPosted: Oct 12, 2011 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i had the same thing when i made thanksgiving dinner the first (and last!) time. i paid like 200 for a turkey and spices and whatnot and then my friend showed up with a box of potato flakes and a can of gravy. i was frustrated but hey what was i going to do? have a drink and a laugh :)

one of my former coworkers (still friend) makes the most amazing pozole... no idea what that translates into, but it's delicious and i was always so happily surprised by her generosity in bringing it to our office. mmmm... we were a share-y office, but her especially... it seems like that's an expensive thing to share

if i take stuff in it's either chocolate cookies or banana bread and both are relatively cheap for me to make since i do have that stuff on hand since i don't let package cookies in because i have NO self-control. i always grab bags of chocolate chips when they're on sale and steal people's over ripe bananas- true story, i'll say hey i stole your bananas, here's some bread!

but i like the smell of baking but need to share so i guess that's a bit different.

i am shocked though at how cheap mass produced food is. they have $5 fridays for random stuff at safeway and i got a boston cream pie for a potluck that way, and there was a lady considering and i told her, 'you can't make it for that cheap!' which is sad but true. when i do that, i do it in style, with the original store packaging and a pronouncement of 'made from scratch, especially the box!'
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PostPosted: Oct 12, 2011 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

highlow kitty wrote:
i had the same thing when i made thanksgiving dinner the first (and last!) time. i paid like 200 for a turkey and spices and whatnot and then my friend showed up with a box of potato flakes and a can of gravy. i was frustrated but hey what was i going to do? have a drink and a laugh :)


My partner and I had our parents, my sister and a few friends over for Christmas last year. We told them dinner was part of their gifts that year, and bought slightly lesser value gifts than we would have otherwise. It worked out great! And that way we didn't feel like we had shelled out lots and lots of money (plus it was us that had offered to host, and we figured after years of our parents making dinner, we could do it once in a while).
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PostPosted: Oct 12, 2011 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PurpleDoor wrote:
Just coming back to post some of my default cheap/simple homemade baked goods and meal ideas:


-coffee cake (I have a very basic recipe, I'll dress it up with nuts or blueberries if I feel extravagant)
-sugar cookies (and related to that, snickerdoodles)
-vanilla cupcakes
-carrot muffins (the "fancy add-in" is carrots, which are super cheap)
-fruit crisp/cobbler (if a good fruit is in season)


I love this whole post!

I'm a frequent baker. So my pantry is well stocked and I'm able to buy things when the price is good. I also buy things when they're in season or on special and freeze them. And as a vegan baker, I keep egg replacer in the pantry, which is cheaper than eggs and doesn't go bad.

An interesting thing to google is "depression recipes" or "frugal recipes" for low cost meals and baked goods.
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